College Board

The Word on Unofficial SAT Questions

 

Some of The Impostor comments are worthy of highlighting.  This is long, but I think worth reading every word:

PC Keller left this comment on Kitchen Table Math:

I recommend staying with College Board questions only. There are so many of them available that if you use them efficiently, they should be enough. You have the blue book, the on line course, and whatever QAS tests that fall into your hands. If you need more than that, I'd recommend old psat or even outdated SATS.

Here's why I don't like "fake" tests:

1. Timing issues: when you practice, you are not just practicing with the concepts. You are also working on your time management. But fake tests often take too long (or less often, too short). They are not real so you are not getting real information about how your time strategy is working.

2. Level of difficulty issues: when you practice with real tests, you are in a sense calibrating yourself. You are learning how hard you have to think to solve a problem #5 vs a problem #17. Fake tests do not have the right level of difficulty throughout so they completely mess up your calibration.

3. Quality control: some of the problems are awful -- misworded, amgiguous, whatever -- and you don't know if you are having trouble because it's you or the problem. This comes up on the forums at college confidential all the time.  People occasionally argue that doing harder problems will make the SAT seem easier. But this is not like lifting weights. What will make the SAT seem easier is mastering the SAT-level problems that you have available to you.

 

Akil Bello from Bell Curves:

The problem with bad fake questions is they give a clouded message about what is valid SAT logic approach and what is not. One or two bad questions here or there are not terrible but if the flavor and theme are not correct you are likely to be severely disadvantaged. I think this holds true of questions that are too hard, ones that are too easy, and ones that are just plain off kilter.

 

Erica Meltzer from Ultimate SAT Verbal:

In response to your semi-rhetorical (but not really) question "so what if the answers of most test-prep books are off?" I would say: on one hand, yes, in some cases dealing with "off" questions can build some mental flexibility (if you know it, you know it, and it doesn't matter how the question is asked), but for the vast majority of people who are just encountering certain concepts (e.g. dangling modifiers) for the first time -- especially on Reading and Writing -- it's a big help to know exactly how the material will be presented.

In addition, the real problem with the questions that don't quite hit the mark is that there's often no way to determine the answer through any logical process. The answer is only the answer because the makers of Kaplan or Barron's or PR say it is, not because it's actually the answer. You don't get to refine your reasoning skills working like that. And if you don't work on that *process*, it doesn't actually matter how much prep you do because, in the end, your ability to engage in that process is a big part of what's being tested.

 

JK Duffy:

The College Board is not telling us where their questions come from. Their "very careful review process" explanation is intentionally vague to put it generously.

These tests are *Standardized*. They must give consistent results across millions of test takers year after year after year (Barrons, Kaplan, etc have no such constraints or goals). The goal of the test is as follows... a score of 2000 by a male student from New Jersey in June 2011 MUST represent the EXACT same thing as a score of 2000 by a female student in California in October of 2006. Colleges will only rely on a test like the SAT so long as they believe the test is meeting that goal (or as close as measurably possible). You cannot do this by throwing a few Math and English teachers in a room and whipping up some questions that are "based on what kids are learning in school".  Frankly I think it is disingenuous of the College Board to even claim such a thing but that is a different argument 'altogether' (not 'all together', which is the type of thing you will have drilled into you at Gruber's and Princeton Review).

So how does the College Board construct the test questions then? Well, I don't know, but I will give you my opinion. They use 'formulas'. They have a library of concepts that they want to test, a library of methods to test each concept, and a library of incorrect answer choices that go along with each concept/method pair. This is why you see patterns repeat so frequently on the tests. This is why an experienced test taker is able to pick actual CB questions out of a list of impostors. This is why a student who has studied the wrong answer choices on passage questions can get many of the questions right without even reading the passage (or after reading the passage get all the questions right simply through process of elimination).

The big test-prep companies do not seem to make any great effort to figure out these formulas. In many cases, they don't even make much of an effort to identify the concepts that are being tested in the first place. At least this is the case with the ones I am familiar with. As you've noted, there are some quality tutors out there who have good material. I think in every one of these cases you are looking at someone who has made the effort to accurately replicate both the concepts and the formulas that the CB uses on actual tests. And in most cases I think even they would recommend you spend most of you time with actual CB questions.

To conclude (finally, sorry so long), I think that once you grasp all the underlying concepts (what is a comma splice, what are the exponent rules, etc) the rest of your time should be spent mastering the test itself. The highest scorers are not the best writers, readers, and mathematicians because that is not what the CB is actually testing (even if they claim otherwise). The highest scorers are the best at what the test *is* actually testing, namely, SAT test taking skill.


 

And PWNtheSAT:

Astutely said, JD. It's true that much of the material begins to look cookie-cutter after a while, but I have to give the writers of the test credit for managing to throw one or two questions onto almost every test that makes me say "Hmm...haven't seen this before." The "weekend challenge" I posted today is a great example. That's based on a question from January 2006, and although I changed the number of sides of the figure, added some color and removed the multiple choice aspect, the question is otherwise identical. And I haven't seen a similar question before or since. That's what makes it a good "weekend challenge," but nothing more.

Also, I'm flattered to be mentioned in this thread as an example of one of the "good" question forgers, but you're correct to posit that I encourage students to spend most of their time in the Blue Book. I write questions to expose and remedy gaps in student knowledge, but I'm never satisfied with mastery of my questions until I see it on corresponding questions from real tests as well.

 

 

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  • Anonymous

    Excellent points all.  Why wasn't Michael Jordan, an extraordinary basketball player, also an extraordinary baseball player? You would think that the skills of split-second timing, running, and throwing would translate over into a new context. 

    Context matters. Taking it back to the world of test prep - cognitive load matters.

    As mentioned above, I think a lot of the big test prep companies have students working on their knuckle balls when they really need to be practicing their layup skills.

    http://www.PWNtheSAT.com, http://www.SATVerbalTutor.com, and www.clearchoiceprep.com are outstanding exceptions. 

    • http://www.perfectscoreproject.com Debbie Stier

      I forgot to mention Clear Choice.  Agreed, very good stuff.

  • Anonymous

    To JK Duffy,

    I'm in agreement with 99.9% of what you've written, but I actually take some issue with the following: 

    The highest scorers are not the best writers, readers, and mathematicians because that is not what the CB is actually testing (even if they claim otherwise). The highest scorers are the best at what the test *is* actually testing, namely, SAT test taking skill.

    While it is indeed possible for someone who is not an extraordinary writer or reader or mathematician to obtain an exceptional score on the SAT, I can't say that I've ever encountered someone who was a truly extraordinary writer or reader or mathematician who failed to do exceptionally well (770-800 on that section in most cases) on the SAT, usually with minimal to no prep. For the majority of those people -- at least the ones I've  encountered -- the idea of even learning how to take the test is absurd; the relationship between prior knowledge and the test is self-explanatory. Not only did one boy I tutored score a 700 on SAT Math at the age of 12, but he also taught himself how parabolas worked while he was taking the test (his essay-writing skills were not nearly that stellar).

    I'm not trying to sound like a snob or an elitist -- this was simply the reality for many people I knew in high school. Among my acquaintances were about six other people who had scored 800s in Critical Reading, and I was one of the few who failed to score an 800 in Writing (I got a 770 having never seen a Writing test before, but I still felt like a failure). As a matter of fact, studying for these tests was somewhat looked down upon; if you couldn't walk in and ace them off the top of your head, you didn't quite measure up. 

    I don't deny that there are many, many very smart people who need to learn tricks and strategies to do well on the SAT, but for people who are already performing at the highest level, it's really not necessary for the most part. To be clear, I'm not talking about above-average kids who work hard but rather ones who are nationally recognized in Physics at the age of 16.

    I realize that what I'm saying is politically incorrect, but one of the things I learned from going to a high school where zero effort was made to preserve students' self-esteem is that not everyone is created equal intellectually, and that when you don't score well on a test, it might just mean that your skills in that area are actually lacking, not that you just didn't know how to take the test.

    • JD

      "I can't say that I've ever encountered someone who was a truly
      extraordinary writer or reader or mathematician who failed to do
      exceptionally well (770-800 on that section in most cases) on the SAT,"

      There is correlation and there is cause and effect. If they are a truly extraordinary student it stands to reason they are probably pretty smart in whatever way it is that CB is trying to test intelligence. So does the high SAT score come from the knowledge of the subject matter or the abstract thinking ability of the student? I say much more from the latter than is generally assumed to be true. That's all I'm saying.

      PS  Not that I care, but how did my last name get into this post?
       

      • http://www.perfectscoreproject.com Debbie Stier

        Last name was on your attached to your comment when you left it ;)

        Thanks for your 2 cents. I love hearing it -- regardless of whether or not I agree.

        When did you last take the SAT? Are you a parent?

      • http://www.perfectscoreproject.com Debbie Stier

        Personally, I am thinking that the correlation is what Daniel Willingham would call Flexible Knowledge.  http://www.aft.org/newspubs/periodicals/ae/winter2002/willingham.cfm

        My experience is that most US schools don't teach ANYTHING to the point of it becoming second nature, which is what you need to have it exist in your long term memory and free up your short term memory space so you can puzzle with these SAT q's. 

        I believe (and I'm not saying this from experience, but more gut, and the fact that other countries seem able to achieve this) that most people can achieve a level of mastery of the core knowledge so that they can work these SAT problems.

  • Akil

    While I agree with many of the comments you guys are making especially as it applies to the top 2% of folks, what about the other 98% of the country or even more pertinently the 80 or so percent that score between 400 and 600.

    I think what most people miss when they discuss college and these tests is perspective. There are really 3 different SATs (or really SAT experiences and a related/reflected skill set) in my mind.

    1. SAT for scoring sub 400
    2. SAT for those scoring between 400 - 600
    3. SAT for those scoring 600+

    In each scoring level  you will find a reflection of the cumulative experiences of their education to that point and that will be usually reflected in how they approach and perceive the test and preparing for the test.

    At a sub 400, I typically find a student with a limited educational experience, either never having been challenged or haveing been taught in a very limited narrow way (such as a child who can only manipulate an equation if the variable is on the left but gets confused if it is on the right, who struggles with 5 + 7x > x versus 7x - x > -5, or who struggles to realize the distinction between "examine a phenomenon" and "describe an event"). These students need a great deal of content remediation, pacing strategies (I usually tell them to just skip all hard questions and probably most of the medium), and practice combining the two in real settings.

    Between 400 and 600 you have most of the country and they
    have a mix of holes in their content knowledge and lack of test taking skills. These tend to be the easiest to work with and get improvements from since they have a good foundation and often are highly receptive to non-intuitive testing strategies. (wow this is getting long... i'll end the rant soon)

    Above 600, these student typically have a great ability to reason, a broader and deeper educational exposure (i had a student recently identify the source of and SAT reading comprehension passage and thus breezed though the questions), and a greater flexibility understanding new strategies. These kids generally need test-taking skill polished and a touch up of content here and there.

    I think the impact of poorly written questions impacts these groups differently. The higher scores are usually OK if they can parse it and realize whats not appropriate or accept the harder lesson and apply it to the test in an appropriate way. Often lower scores have trouble with it because it reinforces bad logical reasoning, when there is no logic that leads to an answer or logic that is as flawed as that of the test taker it simply reinforces those bad habits. Alternatively if the material is to hard it can potentially hurt ego and confidence of those who are already leery and afraid of the test..

    rant done!

    • http://www.perfectscoreproject.com Debbie Stier

      Love the rant!  I would venture to say that work that's too hard can do more harm than hurting the ego.  It can disengage the learner.  It has to be just right (like goldilocks).

      I really wish we lived in a country where we valued the education of our kids so deeply that we made every possible effort to get each kid the solid building blocks they need to get to the next level.  It's all so surface when ensuring that foundation needs to be SACRED. 

      I was working with my son this morning on a few Critical Reading passages -- and he's a reader and does pretty well in school, mind you -- but he was having a really hard time articulating the main idea to me -- even when I'd point out where it was in the passage. That seems like a major skill to be weak in -- and I'd be willing to be a LOT of kids aren't able to do that because I don't think schools break it down enough and do the hard work....over and over and over....until every single kid GETS IT -- inside out backwards and forwards upside down and over the hill.

      I know I wasn't taught that skill -- and from what I've seen, my kids weren't either (until they left public school -- but there is a large degree of gaping holes that stil exist and still need to be filled so they're not hobbling into the future with these deficencies).

      I'm really going to make my best effort this summer to id those holes for both of them and make sure their footing is more solid before school starts near next year. Otherwise, you'll get to these SATs, and like you said above, there's remediation that needs to happen before you can even get to test taking skills.

      We'll see, it's still early summer days....and the best laid plans are often thwarted by a worn down mom and persistent teenagers.